According to Wikipedia, in October 2013 The London Evening Standard reported that Shirley Rountree (Simon's mother) was suing Sothebys for the return of the painting. I gather it was on TV or in the paper, and you took the story and made it into a great hub. it certainly is an on going interesting story! You are so right! With the new series just started I hope we get to see something about this, maybe the last in the series as an update, fingers crossed! For example, some art works acquired (?stolen) by the Nazis before and during WWII from Jewish families, have been returned to descendants after expensive court cases. C. Flores! In other words Selena may not have much say or push in court, but a top business man will. Nell Rose (author) from England on July 01, 2016: Hi penny, where did you get that info? you have been very British and polite about the mean minded comments of Penny Rose. to be worth 100,000 when he would know that she originally expected to make 30,000 on the sale (the figure quoted on the Antiques Roadshow). When Clifford Schorer, an American art dealer who specialises in Old Masters, realised that he had forgotten to buy a present for a colleague, he had no idea that a chain of coincidences was about to It is a shame that an agreement - say 50/50 - could not have been achieved - thereby saving a lot of legal fees and stress. Ignored Sotheby's advice it would be sold. Clifford has since tried to retrieve the Painting from Sotheby's but they still refuse to let him take it. Tony Varney, a fisherman and his daughter Selina, had gone fishing at his local spot, in County Cork, Ireland. Hand-painted oil painting reproduction of Looking over the Cliff by Winslow Homer - museum quality oil painting on artist grade canvas. Born in 1836, Winslow Homer is regarded by many as one of the greatest American painters of the 19th century. He can't just take the painting without showing on paper that she put the painting up as collateral. Sotheby's should not have stopped the auction after completing due diligence and agreeing to the sale, they were contractually bound to sell the painting. it seems they went into action the second they thought they would lose money! Selina's dad found it so that should be the end of it. I personally think Selena had a good case. Thanks so much for confirming the story, nell. As she states,' If we hadn't found the painting, it would have been ruined within a couple of days, or even a few hours. Simon Murray, a lawyer, had the gall to malign the people who found it on the rubbish heap and rescued it, by saying he knew they were hoping to use the money for swimming pools and motor cars. [4] He gave the painting to his daughter Selina Varney. Had Selina's dad not had the wherewithal to add it to his collectibles, this wouldn't even be an issue. So this was an exciting time. Only a change of ownership from Selena to Clifford has maybe helped to alter the dynamics of the argument. thanks so much for reading. Sigh. Prime Winkel-wagen. They explained that they had no record of a burglary, and no recollection of the actual work. It's a page turner indeed. Having just read "The Goldfinch"...don't waste your $$$ OR your time, btw...I was reminded that when works of art are taken out of circulation, whether by actually being destroyed (as the Goldfinch was thought to be for several years), or hidden away in a Paris apartment for decades, or by ownership disputes such what's happening to "Children", we ALL lose by being denied the opportunity to enjoy the fruits of an artist's labor. Picking up something at the dump, I certainly would not report it to the police. He learned that the work, Children Under a Palm Tree, had most likely been painted by Winslow Homer. Winslow Homer | ISBN 9780714839929 direct en eenvoudig te bestellen bij Boekhandel De Slegte. In 1859 Homer moved to New York, which remained his winter home until the 1880 s, and studied for a brief time at the National Academy of Design and with Frederic Rondel. Nell Rose (author) from England on January 18, 2014: Hi Trogging, that's so true! Remember, they had the painting for 20 years. . Leading the revival of realism in the visual arts, the Art Renewal Center (ARC), a 501(C)(3), non-profit, educational foundation, hosts the largest online museum dedicated to realist art only and includes works by the old masters, 19th century, and contemporary realists as well as articles, letters and other online resources. And I fully disagree with the author regarding splitting the proceeds. What a little pig he is. In order to prove that the painting was stolen, the Blakes need to pŕovide a Police report. I think we should start a "raise the funds" Paige for selina, get her her Original 30k for her kids and she cN do away with all this crap and have a wonderful life!! In fact Tony Varney and Selina, were more interested in the history of the piece. He then went on to make an insulting remark about Selina and her family. He states, ' I feel sorry for her, I really do, I know she wanted the money for a swimming pool or loads of cars'! That's their problem. Presumably, the proceeds will be used to repay the loan. Taking the search further they realised that one of the other paintings found, had a connection to Homer, and the search was on to try and find out more about the story. I do understand both parties. It sounds like Selina has done pretty well out of this, and good luck to her! [11] According to Mr. Murray, his family didn't know that the painting was stolen until it was put up for auction at Sotheby's. If the painting had not been rescued it would be ruined and there would be no issue. Clifford Schorer Apr 7 2018 at 1:08 pm I remember the day I stumbled on the collection of the Worcester Art Museum, a mere 16 miles away from my office, but then so quietly marketed, unknown, other than a few scholarly references, to even an enthusiastic amateur like myself. bio je američki slikar i grafičar, poznat po pejzažima i pomorskim motivima, te kao jedan od najznačajnih likovnih umjetnika u SAD-u u 19. stoljeću.Bio je samouki umjetnik, a karijeru je započeo kao ilustrator za novine. And the family barrister is just using that story as leverage in what amounts to an extortion of money from the rightful owner of the painting. The man is a barrister for god's sake. But Edith was a well-known, accomplished watercolorist who did very detailed renderings of the flora and fauna of the Bahamas, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that Homer did do the sketch, but Edith Blake completed it. [4], The painting was featured in the second episode of the BBC TV programme, Fake or Fortune? Thanks for reading. Great hub, I watched the TV programme the other night about the painting. So, leaning down, he brushed of the dirt, and decided to take them home to keep them safe from ruin. Like a paint-by-number, as it were, which would explain why the family always thought it was one of her own watercolors. Let’s not forget he’s a trained lawyer. Account en lijsten Retourzendingen en bestellingen. At this point, it shouldn't be the people who tossed the scrapbook out along with the painting it contained and are now claiming it was stolen -- that claim is obvious horsehockey, based on the greed of someone who is already wealthy. I cannot stand or bear a mean spirit...... Selina, if you read this, get to mediation, put this xxxxx behind you.. Nell Rose (author) from England on May 29, 2015: Just came back to say I have been looking it up and realise that this news is out there on the internet so I can add it here, thanks again, nell, Hi Penny, thanks for clarifying it. It shows the mentality of the rich crushing the poor. Children Under a Palm (or sometimes Children Under a Palm Tree) is a water colour painting by Winslow Homer. It's also amazing that this has been in limbon for so many years-Salina's kids are all grown and though college now, ostensibly what the proceeds would have been for. I hope it's resolved soon, for the family's sake. As they walked past, Tony spotted just outside the dump, a few old pictures thrown down on the ground. There are no police record of break in or theft, and no insurance records. I got interested again after reading about Winslow Homer in a coffee table book about a San Antonio TX couple's collection of 26 Impressionist paintings they'd loaned to the Smithsonian's art gallery in Washington, D.C. It hasn't. Offered only 25 then 30% to the then owner. The painting was in fact worth more. [4] Mr. Murray initially offered Ms. Varney 25% of the sale proceeds as a "finder's fee". And no its still not been resolved. The Painting was going up for sale at Sotheby's. [4], On the day before the sale, Simon Murray (the great grandson of Sir Henry Blake) claimed ownership of the painting on behalf of the family. Winslow Homer (24. veljače 1836. In my case, five of the six experts on their assessment panel were certain that my painting was a genuine Jane Peterson, and the sixth was adamant that, while an original artwork, my painting was by some unknown other artist who signed as J. Peterson. Homer had then given their descendants the actual Painting like a gift. Mary Craig from New York on September 12, 2014: I'm so glad you brought this one back Nell. Nell Rose (author) from England on September 13, 2014: I would seek out a lawyer pro bono or on fixed fee, and challenge Sotheby's... for wrongful possession. luckily she played him at his own game, lol! Simon Murray, Sir Henry's great great grandson, gave an interview on camera stating that actually yes they did know of it, and refused to budge on the issue. The work was painted in the Bahamas in 1885. Nell Rose (author) from England on October 23, 2014: Hi Todd, I totally agree with everything you say, its just plain stupid, and as for the remark about swimming pools etc I was so mad when I heard him say it! What pigs those people are. It really looks very fishy for the Blakes,l I mean how coincidental they just realized it had been stolen! What's infinitely worse though, is his condescension to an honest woman that he's never met as though she's a lowly pauper entertaining silly notions of pools and cars to which plebeians like her have no business aspiring, all while simultaneously wanting to sell a supposedly cherished family heirloom to upkeep the family mansion! In October 2013, the London Evening Standard reported that Shirley Rountree (Simon Murray's mother and a descendant of Sir Henry Blake) was suing Sotheby's for "return" of the painting. It only takes one to mess up the whole reality of the situation. I know where these lot are going. For all we know the original owners could have thrown it all out when cleaning out the house. She was then told that she could sell it, and sort out the problem after the sale. In 1859 he opened a studio in New York City. Murray is overprivileged and arrogant, too rich for his own good, and, clearly, he has no understanding of people who actually have to work for a living to support themselves to any degree of modest comfort. Winslow Homer's seaside studio is on display Monday, Sept. 17, 2012, in Scarborough, Maine. The "good" news is the painting is still at Sotheby's (or was as of Nov 2013) and will remain there until courts determine the true owner. Where have we gone wrong in the world, where politicians become fat cats who are self serving, and show no example for the poor or wealthy on the planet. Nell Rose (author) from England on April 23, 2016: Thanks paul, my thoughts exactly! The work was painted in the Bahamas in 1885. thanks, looks like selena and new hubby are off to a new york court very soon. surely he would have noticed something missing over 20 years for goodness sake! Nell Rose (author) from England on March 08, 2017: LOL! I did email them a couple of years ago, but refused to tell me anything.Thanks for reading. Homer is een vertegenwoordiger van de realistische genreschilderkunst.Hij was een uitstekend dierschilder en maakte veel aquarellen. The story starts on a day way back in the 1980s. I think the need of money took over common sense... ! Homer had then given their descendants the Painting as a gift. Hi Mary, yes it was wasn't it? In November 2013, a Massachusetts man named Clifford Schorer says he loaned Selena Rendell an unspecified amount and she used the painting as collateral. "The fact is that the Painting ended up in the Rubbish dump somehow. " Thanks for reading. Born in Boston and raised in rural Cambridge, he began his career as a commercial printmaker, first in Boston and then in New York, where he settled in … Imogen French from Southwest England on October 05, 2020: Fascinating story. She has even been visited by the Police, who claim she may be prosecuted for theft! The party was also attended by Winslow Homer who was asked by Lady Blake to sketch the children. [12] Mr. Murray conducted further research among his family's papers and claims to have found a letter which described the circumstances under which the painting was produced.[4]. The losers in this situation is that little tool who needs his face bashed in, Simon Murray. Even if the diary is not a forgery, it only proves that Lady Blake received a "sketch", which might only be a preliminary version of the watercolor, and not the painting at issue, and the diary does not prove that the painting, if that is what it was, was not given away, bartered, sold or discarded. A very important water colourist in America in the 19th Century. After twenty long years of collecting dust in a cupboard, they thought it was time that someone else had a chance to own this wonderful Painting. Furthermore, the painting wasn't legally issued to her to use as collateral. After so many years, finders keepers ought to be the verdict. "Finders keepers" does not apply in all situations or jurisdictions. Just a question of time..... Selina, if you read these messages, take the 97% vote results to your lawyer, and sue the Blakes whe you successfully sue Sotheby's. This does not need litigation. Winslow Homer (1836 – 1910) was a remarkable American painter who mastered several mediums, including oils and watercolors. It's no coincidence that he is offering Varney 25-30% of a painting est. Now, how on earth did Selina get in hock with this other guy? Selina is the real owner, simple as that, as for the new so called owner coming forward, Selina should be able to sell the painting and then pay him off, thanks for reading, nell, Hi Dolores, no it was never reported, in fact it was 20 years before all this happened! Winslow Homer began his art career in 1854 or 1855 as an apprentice to J. H. Bufford, a lithographer in Boston. https://fresh-foodz.com.au Fresh-Foodz - Daily Needs Online. This is a popular TV program made by the BBC. This painting was so important they did not know it was missing. Nell Rose (author) from England on May 01, 2018: Thanks Kiri, I am glad that Selena found a way out, good for her. Winslow Homer On The Cliff Cullercoats 1. Facebook gives people the power to share and makes the world more open and connected. Nell Rose (author) from England on June 09, 2015: Hi Linda, yep I did wonder if it was that Clifford Shorer, I looked him up. A 50% share in that painting would've been more than he was rightfully entitled to, but after his true colors were shown I sincerely hope he gets nothing, that he's disinherited, and that he dies penniless and alone. Children Under a Palm (or sometimes Children Under a Palm Tree) is a water colour painting by Winslow Homer. But it does seem that the financial gain goes to the lawyers. Who knows. Thanks Bishop. Now there's a thought. Nell Rose (author) from England on January 29, 2018: Me too! Or did they come across them in a more nefarious scenario? The family believed the painting was by her. For a few years he attended The National Academy of Design, and then went on to study with Frederic Rondel, who taught him the basics of Painting. If they were worthy of it, they would not discard the painting as rubbish. Thanks! That said, I'm still not convinced Homer actually did the painting. Other than money, what can Simon and his obviously-greedy mother hope to gain by continuing the legal battle for ownership? If the family don't have the records then the insurers might have these records. Nell Rose (author) from England on December 15, 2018: Exactly. Evidently they claim that it had been in their family for generations, and had been stolen years ago. thanks for reading, nell. Previous owners were Oliver Cromwell and Sir Walter Raleigh. You can see how out of synch her comments are. Nell Rose (author) from England on May 15, 2015: Hi brake, yes it was on tv, it made a real storm over here. Then I found the info on the internet, so maybe not. not so much being British as well, learning my lesson. Nell Rose (author) from England on February 03, 2020: If you read down the page, the answer is there. Drats! 10 minutes before the painting was sold, she was called to the office and told that it had been withdrawn! Olive subsequently married John (Jack) Arbuthnot who wrote some of the Beachcomber columns. In addition she can also charge any legal fees, any interest lost from the drawn out legal process lost from the original sale, or devaluation of the artwork due to a withdrawn sale at the auction by the Blakes. Family does not deserve it or the painting itself. GREED. In her later years, Olive was described by one of her grandsons as being "a formidable looking woman of whom I was somewhat frightened".[3]. In other words, it was just a coincidence that she happened to be there at the same time as the sale. To behave as though this painting is his family's property simply because a long dead family member is depicted in the painting and to also assert that it was stolen decades ago and should be returned to him without providing any evidence of a contemporary police report of it being reported missing, is an aristocratic pompousness un-befitting the modern age. The fact is that the Painting ended up in the Rubbish dump somehow. As I live one state over, I hope to see it one day. And this is also refutable as it's only through the Salina's word on their find. So they set out to try to track down it's History. To be honest I never really noticed the tone of Penny's remarks I just presumed she knew her. If the courts decide the picture belongs to the Blakes, it is a loss to to Schorer, not Selena. Nobody had ever reported it missing, or stolen. I think it was disgusting how the whole thing went down, in fact the so called evidence that appeared seemed a bit suspect to me! [6] Ms. Varney was flown to New York to observe the sale. Nell Rose (author) from England on May 11, 2019: Thanks, Ana, I totally agree. As usual, the only winners will be the lawyers. I love these stories of art thefts and the ensuing legal fights. Clifford Schorer is on Facebook. He forgot to mention 55” flat screens! Sir Henry Arthur Blake had been the Governor of the Bahamas from 1884 to 1887. Locals think she is there now as they are away. Shauna L Bowling from Central Florida on August 19, 2020: Nell, I didn't see any mention of a police report for the alleged theft of the painting (that no one even remembered until its value became known). Kunstenaar: Winslow Homer - alle werken van deze kunstenaar als kunstdruk, als olieverfschilderij of op dibond/acrylglas. thanks, that sounds interesting! Do you know of any updates surrounding this story? lol! Nell Rose (author) from England on July 16, 2020: If this were maritime law, she's have salvage rights and claim against the paintings for rescuing them from certain ruin. To him this lawsuit represents a personal challenge, since he has nothing to lose. He was born and raised in the Cambridge area, Boston, MA, and the first work he did in the field of art, was working as a print maker, in Boston, as well as … So, I say that he's out of luck, as well. In November 2013, a new claimant for ownership of the painting emerged. It is in watercolour and pencil. At storage and management fees rates of an expensive painting like this she can charge 3000 pounds a year for over 20 years. Nell Rose (author) from England on August 17, 2020: I totally agree Robin. Buy online, view images and see past prices for WINSLOW HOMER - DOWN THE CLIFF. I watched this today. Just stopped by to see if this mess has been resolved yet. As long as Selena is making her payments, I do not see how Schorer can call in the loan, and if he wins, the Worcester will have obtained a very valuable painting to add to their collection. After being bought by a third party it is no longer Selina's problem, but I would imagine it is still being disputed. There should be a new encyclopedia entry under "hypocrisy" with his ugly face and his ugly name. outrageous. There's no way it should be given to them. Fascinating story. Kasnije se preorijentirao na slikanje uljenim bojama, da bi kasnije radio u akvarelu. Winslow Homer (født 24. februar 1836 i Boston, død 30. september 1910 i Portland) var en nordamerikansk genre maler. There was no burglary, as the Blakes stated in the first place. It is in watercolour and pencil. Nell Rose (author) from England on March 05, 2018: Its a weird situation Paul. If I were written of, as these Murray's are written of, I would be so very ashamed. Worcester is known for it’s collection of great American artists and Homer is right up there in the top. Doesn't make sense, does it?! No one will ever know. Certainly, Schorer has deeper pockets than Selena. I take umbrage with Simon Murray’s comments accusing Selina of wanting the money to buy a swimming pool and cars while he’s the one saying he needs the money for renovations! Winslow Homer is bekend voor origineel oplossingen in zijn art work. The Blakes believe it is a family portrait and therefore it should go back to them. Hallo, Inloggen. But yes I totally agree with you, I never ran a pub but worked in one and yes hard work! He died on September 29 1910. but the new owner still has a long way to go. Selina believes that as her father found it, and kept it for 20 years, without anyone claiming it, then it belongs to her. brilliant Tibor! I am following this story in New York state. Thanks for reading. The courts of three countries (Ireland, England, and the USA) are involved - each having their own interpretations of "ownership". They made the mistake of letting go of the painting somehow. [4] Mr. Mould took it to New York to be sold by Sotheby's. The Blake's have NOTHING. Penny and al: the new owner of the painting is Clifford Schorer, the head of the Board of Directors of the Worcester Museum in Massachusetts, which has sued Sotheby's in the New York State Supreme Court to obtain ownership of the painting. She doesn't need the money, got a pub with new husband, got a loan from a third party on the painting.... Nell Rose (author) from England on February 16, 2015: Hi Heath, yes I totally agree with you! I don't know. In fact most value their artwork yearly. The painting was not framed and was subsequently included among a number of works by Lady Blake who was herself an amateur artist. It’s utterly disgusting to hear him ridicule Selena and her family by making the ironic remark that her sole aspirations are to buy swimming pools and cars. Selina refused the offer. I just checked, but it seems that it is still stalemate. Join Facebook to connect with Clifford J. Schorer and others you may know. Somehow, there had been a claim on the Painting! There's a statue of limitations that has expired for claims to the painting, so it's finder's keepers, loser's weepers. Either way the original owner, for whatever reason, decided at the time, that they didn't want the Painting, along with other goods, and threw them away. As you can imagine, he was stunned. I hope that my meaning is clear. After investigation, they found that the painting was indeed an authentic Winslow Homer. This is a very interesting case from a legal perspective. Nell Rose (author) from England on December 29, 2013: Hi JamaGenee, great to see you! The Blakes are entitled to nothing. Chances are the painting would have been crushed by the garbage truck's jaws and deposited at the nearest dump. [2] They were attending a fancy dress party in Arabian costume. I watched this just today ... What a story ! no wonder its still stuck at Sotheby's! So, if the painting does end up with the Blakes, she's got a big debt around her neck. The family believe it disappeared from Myrtle Grove after a series of robberies in the 1980s,[10] although Philip Mould notes that there was no crime reported. you are quite right, everything should be sorted out by now, its just ridiculous! Han vandt først et navn ved illustrationer, særlig efter Borgerkrigens udbrud, ved sine krigsscener for Harpers Weekly. I will keep my eyes open thought, and will update if there is anything new. We have wealthy relatives who you would not believe would have done the most appalling things to a 90 year old. Pigs. – 29.rujna 1910.) March 18, 2014 at 10:49 AM The ... hand shop for a pound .Was only wanting the frame as i went to cut out the picture and noticed it has a signature with winslow homer on .Its a coastal oil painting .As i … Invaluable is the world's largest marketplace for art, antiques, and collectibles. Everything was in place, the picture was ready, and all the catalogues had been sent out weeks before. Two different concepts I’m afraid! They were not very helpful! I have no doubt that at one time the painting had belonged to the Blakes but come on... without the Dad finding these paintings and saving them there would be nothing for the Blakes to claim and nothing is what they should receive. On top of that she can charge a 30 percent finders fee of the valuation of the painting. Nell Rose (author) from England on October 26, 2014: Hi Gillianisme, yes I will update this as soon as I hear anything, thanks so much for reading, and I totally agree with you! Nell Rose (author) from England on January 31, 2014: Hi Garp, yes that's so true, I did try getting in touch with Sotheby's but to no avail, they wouldn't give me any info, it seems its a stand off still! A very important water colourist in America in the 19th Century. Its just ridiculous now, surely they can sort something out? I just wish she had thought of that! There shouldn't have been a problem. [5] A preview of the sale appeared in the Daily Telegraph. The art world scandal that has taken the world by storm. [4] Ms. Varney rejected the revised offer and Sotheby's followed their normal policy, withdrawing the painting because they could not guarantee a good title to anyone who bought the work. and what a proverbial ass is the great grandson and the rest of the Blake family for making this claim . The Art world is a mysterious journey that can take you back in time. It's been awhile, but I still think Sotheby's KNOWS its jewels are in a wringer because they didn't do the all important due diligence and verify the provenance of the painting BEFORE agreeing to include it in an auction. Or they moved in after their relative had died and they inherited the house. My personal belief is that either the Blakes who live there now, had the house cleared out, and all the rubbish was taken to to rubbish dump. Thanks for reading. He is a wealthy individual who is clueless to living in the real world. Regardless of what legal decision will ultimately be made in the case, Simon Murray is a spoiled little weasel who seems to think that inherited money and fancy words hides his low character. Even worse, they claim that nobody had got in touch with them about it, and the first that they knew about the Painting was when Mrs. Blake had seen it in the newspaper in the States! Without a police report how can the Blakes claim it as theirs? all I know is that surely they can come to some agreement. Being most profficient in both water colours and oil, he soon became very well known. VALUELESS.....unless each take 50%. [4] seems being truthful doesn't get you anywhere these days! Family obviously think that they could treat her the way they like since they have the money and status. this is just greed, and yes I agree, a number 1 sin, nell. On searching for the history of the painting, Sotheby's had managed to find the Blake family, and explained to them about the find. Nothing like this had ever happened to her. Sadly, there isn't any change on the horizon. You always find the most interesting subjects to write about. And I almost wish that there was an afterlife so that Simon Murray, and people like him, would live with an eternal punishment for what they begat in life. Nevertheless the only trouble was that when the relatives had been interviewed these people stored springing up with a various story. The 'well Selina is alright she married and owns a pub'.....try running one, and you will what hard work it is. But then out of the blue, Selina received a phone call. She was very surprised to hear about it. It was featured in the second episode of the BBC TV series Fake or Fortune? Nell Rose (author) from England on February 18, 2016: Yes you are right Bobby, I do believe though that Selina though has got the better deal now, she has sold it on, so thank goodness for that! Yes it would be great to go back home to where Homer comes from. Alternatively, "the family" could have bought it at auction if they were suddenly so desperate. Nell Rose (author) from England on May 30, 2015: Thanks angiiii, I try to keep it polite on here, I have learned my lesson in the past! 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