Since the black slavery prevailed, likely it was worse. Full history, EXPLAINED. Slavery, in any oppressive, dehumanizing form is wrong! Do you know where you Irish surname came from? Blacks participated and also were complacent in the slave trades. The vast majority of labourers who agreed to this system did so voluntarily, but there were many who were forcibly transplanted from the British Isles to the colonies and sold into indentured service against their will. Everyone google irish slavery is a myth and tell me who its written by or sourced byyou got it it Liam Hogan.yes he is one of the millions of English trying to deny our history!!!!!!! The truth is African-American is not your true nationality. I love it !! Family of three here by underground railroad. Well my last name is carmickle. We need to move past focusing on just one point in history to see the big picture. Slavery is age old and always horrific. Racism based on the color of your skin post dates the bulk of African slavery, and predates the arrival of most Americans ancestors. Its about connecting the dots. The surname may be your first clue to mixed-blood heritage. Irish heritage at this point is one of many battles won and lost. The main difference is that 600,000 people died in a civil war to end Black slavery, not Irish indentured service. Another name, OGallchobhair, which is the Irish version of the popular name Gallagher, means foreign help. The Irish Catholics did not not migrate voluntarily to the Americas until the 1850s when the Irish Potato Famine hit their country. thats the label the brits give them. the diffrence is the irish support other oppressed nations not cry that they were treated worst. The Black men were getting all the women. The Romans were very efficient slave masters and after brutally conquering most of Europe and enslaved people to build roads and cities where did gladiators come from? 10. The first slave owner in the colonies was Anthony Johnson, a black African. Thus, welcoming a new wave of dark-complexioned Irish people. Connolly 24. In any case, all bar the serious felons were freed once the term of their contract expired. This is sometimes used to by Irish to distance themselves from the slaveholdinhs in America. Black Irish (album), 2017 music album by American singer-songwriter Shannon McNally. As things evolved though the change from indentured to enslaved came in a big way because of the darker skin tone making it easier to identify runaways and the popularity of black Africans entering a lifetime period of slavery is why indentured servitude was replaced with full on actual slavery. It seems more likely that "Black Irish" is a descriptive term rather than an inherited characteristic that has been applied to various categories of Irish people over the centuries. Whether or not this was an actual invasion or rather a more gradual migration and assimilation of their culture by the native Irish is open to conjecture, but there is sufficient evidence to suggest that this latter explanation is more likely. http://library.law.umn.edu/irishlaw/subjectlist.html, And this documentary shows the conditions of life for Irish catholics during that time. Irish names and surnames are steeped in our country's rich tradition and centuries of history. Thanks for this fascinating post. Whenever they rebelled or even disobeyed an order, they were punished in the harshest ways. This forced labour was in essence an extension of the English Poor Laws, e.g. What have the IRISH contributed to Louisisanas unique and amalgamated cultural heritage like the Cajuns, Creoles and blacks have?!!!!! Slaves were never considered to be humans, but rather, chattel, and were subject to the whoms of their masters. and then share it for the world to see. It appears that everyone, including you, completely ignored my comment where I pointed out that the British would hire pirates, specifically Barbary Pirates from North Africa and the Middle eatern areas, to raid entire Irish villages with the intent of wiping out said village so the British could take over the land and do with it as they wish. So what is it that makes all so called White skinned folks exactly like one another? One of the most famous people with the name Campbell is model and actress Naomi Campbell. Sure, later on, some were indeed indentured servants (not really that much different from common slaves) but in Orwells time vast majority were slaves. 2. My theory contrary to the hypotheses here is America has made any skin color not light or white a lower lifeforms hence Irish are white Im I wrong. If you want to refute the facts surrounding Cromwells conquest of Ireland, Irish rebel imprisonment, British penal system convictions, Barbary slave trade, and raids on mainland coastal Europe and the British Isles Im interested to review your scholarly work. These last names chosen were often those of Union soldiers whom were primarily Irish. Simply put, they could blend in and have a life. Instead the only thing of Ireland you learn is that Dublin is its capital.. * Originally published 2013. Africans were renamed, what about the irish? So for me. And so on.., http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-stolen-village-des-ekin/1113681635?ean=9781847174314#productInfoTabs. In its conception, Ireland was made up of kin groups or clans. Those who completed their term of service were awarded freedom dues and were free. One of the most famous people with the surname Burke is American actor Robert Burke. Some would conquer their enemies to gain power, land, wealth and additional wealth by selling their slaves to slave traders. I will never make any claim of who was better off or who had it worse. I dont know why white people are in such a hurry to prove theyre oppressed but this just isnt true. I have a very Irish last nameMurphy, enjoy and thanks for sharing Konnetta! Derogatory names for immigrant groups are legion and in the case of those who left Ireland include "Shanty Irish" and almost certainly "Black Irish." Something to keep in mind as you read. The name Cullen is best known from the fictional family of the Twilight book and film series. There is no logic in that a hybrid race slave would be any more profitable than a hard working African slave, and has no basis in historical fact. If it were slavery, as the Africans suffered, it would have been called slavery. They were abused and belittled for being Irish and Catholic; they were considered worthless and heathenbut they were seen as worthless and heathen *humans*, at a time when being heathen was a much bigger deal than it is now, even while being traded as property. https://sudbury.ma.us/services/news_story.asp?id=259, Im Dutch and this is only the second time Ive read about this in my life.. Should we question if being enslaved was not as horrific for those who were lighter skinned because the may not have has as harsh living conditions? I never learned the whole story of how though unrelated, both husbands had the same Irish surname. From a real Irish person, who didnt get shipped over to America but whos ancestors have fought against the oppression of Britannia and ultimately Rome (the Pope) for over 800years. It could easily be claimed by any of those writers who like to push their political agendas by denying facts in evidence and making up effects and results that sound plausible, but simply did not happen, or do not have the meanings that those writers freely attach to them. This article is not stretching the truth, it is flat-out lying to you. My dad is African-American and his last name is Hare. We respect your privacy and take protecting it seriously, How to plan a trip to Ireland (in 9 steps), Irish boy names that nobody can pronounce. As with the Vikings, these were viewed as a people of "dark intentions" who ultimately colonized much of the Eastern part of the country and several larger towns. Though we dont want that ugly past to be forgotten, rewritten or soften to make Whites feel better about them-selves, the issues we worry about are those we have to deal with currently. Some aspects of racism are religious others are cultural but in most cases have nothing to do with something as simple as skin color and are definitely not limited to Blacks. The article is pointing the finger at the British Empire. While these forced deportees would have included political prisoners and serious felons, it is believed that the majority came from the poor and vulnerable. What yall ;need to figure out is why this history has been buried and who is gaining from that. In the sixteen hundreds EVERYONE came as indentured servants including Africans. The Irish were endentured servants. If they committed a crime that warranted jail time, they deserved the sentence. Youll find that most often the enslaved are identified by age and gender only. Some of us blow it off, move on, and create a better life for our families. I am quite sure that being held against you will is inhumane regardless of your color or religion. Other aspects of racism and bigotry are far too complicated to touch on here. While their decision did not stop pirates from doing what they desired, the new law slowly concluded THIS chapter of nightmarish Irish misery. Your email address will not be published. One of the most famous Nolans is film director Christopher Nolan. This article is not stretching the truth, it is flat-out lying to you. But I digress; apparently what Chloes real point is by this previous statement is that, when/if Whites talk about how a part of their race was oppressed and enslaved at one point in history that it somehow diminishes and lessens the Blacks slave history and only serves to to make Whites feel better about them-selves. 1. Just to add the most interesting reference was to Dubhdaleithe adopted in Ireland as a first name according to that link. I have noticed since I was very young that a full one-third or more (approximately) of mixed race couples I see there will be a black male and a red headed white female. These new mulatto slaves brought a higher price than Irish livestock and, likewise, enabled the settlers to save money rather than purchase new African slaves. The two terms, slave and indentured servant, should not be interchanged. When they came to America they where made to take the last name of the slave owner. ODwyer is a popular Irish name in Australia with cricketer Edmund Thomas ODwyer and National Rugby League player Luke ODwyer both having the name. She and many other commentators suggest and maintain that this is a racial issue, Black against White. One issue was the Federal Government vs Individual States rights. But why are these fanatics so triggered and butthurt about this, why they try to deny this crime so obsessively? Read it again. In fact, ODubhghaill is the Gaelic version of the very popular Irish surname ODoyle. The potato blight which destroyed the main source of sustenance turned the vital food black. Miriam OCallaghan, RT television and radio broadcaster, is one of the most well-known OCallaghans. Race was judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. The term 'Black Irish' gets thrown around from time to time. Wants take a guess on my choice of colors ; Brown, White, Blue, and Black . there is another book to read; which indicates that the so-called American Revolution was spurred on by slave revolts in the west indies. 6. Once they were accepted as white around the Depression, they quickly became as racist as any other white person during that time and hurriedly left the neighborhoods they were living in with Blacks. What is the most popular last name in Ireland? This has already been disproven. It would be interesting to know why they are attracted to each other. It is safe to say that if we knew all of history everyones ancestry has been enslaved at sometime. Yes. You cannot water down the mistreament of black slaves and the CONTINUED systematic/institutional oppression of black people. Two of the most famous Gallaghers are brothers and bandmates of Oasis fame, Liam and Noel Gallagher. Stick to your own life, quit looking for your next cause celeb. Aztecs and Mayans were no exception. There are many different races from different parts of the world, all with their own diverse history that share the same or similar skin colors. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDVhUQXElTE. I Will keep the research going and will write another post that you will love. Murray Irish spelling: Muireadhaigh Meaning: Descendent of Muireadhaigh, a seaman. And so white planters were secured in their thinking that slaves were disposable because they could easily be created. No Irish Catholic had the right to own land in Ireland. Slavery of some form exists now. Whether the stereotype is based on truth or not, I have no personal knowledge. @wolfsilveroak I suggest you re-read the book. Another 30,000 Irish men and women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. Yes, the Irish were treated horribly by the English, but they were not sold as slaves, per se, to the West Indies. McDonald, McFadden, and not take the last names of the slave owners, of Smith, Washington, Jefferson, like the black slaves did. A great book to read is:To Hell or Barbados. All Caucasians are Edomites. I have a hard time following the discussion here, but I have made many replies. The term cracker refers to a poor white overseer. THe Irish slavery myth is a white supremacists push back against the very real phenomenon of southern slavery. Stewart is a very popular Irish surname. Also, there is one difference between White Indentured servants or slaves and Black slaves in a country where Blacks are legally considered property. And most defintely not at the numbers cited in this article. O'Rourke Irish spelling: Ruairc Meaning: Descendent of Ruarc, King of Brifne (an area including counties Leitrim and Connacht). It began as indentured slavery otherwise known as servitude. Who were you responding to? I would ask when was the last time a police-person STOPED you just because you looked the part of something bad O or you go to a nice store and your treated as if your a thief. Like the Vikings, they shared similar dark intentions to rule the country, the native Irish people, and colonise the land. Their solution to this problem was to start a system of banishment,not unlike what Stalin had done later in the 1930s ,banishing peasants , kulaks, political opponents and others deemed as undesirables and enemies of the state to prison camps and salt mines in the desolate Siberia. I agree. I am sure that the Irish were treated as less than other white settlers, but to say their treatment was equal to or worse than the treatment of African slaves is not probable. As for how, I insist on the qualifier some, of the Blacks got their last names, I think this may just be embellished truth. June 25, 1661. This is incorrect information. Famous Kennedys include 35th president of the United States John F. Kennedy and his family. (I feel it necessary to elaborate because of your intellectual handicap. The Irish were hated because they were catholics. He gained his freedom in 7 years and bought land. 3) their children and grandchildren were not automatically enslaved or indentured from birth and were free, 4) they were not forced to forget their history, culture religion during their agreement to be indentured. Instead of having to round up the rebellious and often unreliable Irish, the African trade was already packaged and ready for sale. Ive seen the pictures of long ago. Today, the island is made up of the Republic of Ireland (an independent country) and Northern Ireland (a part of the United Kingdom). For example, Barack Obama has Irish ancestors on his white mothers side. My ancestors great great great great great grandparents, one French, one black, moved to new Orleans together (after his wife died) and owned slaves. McLoughlin 22. Is not because of Irish slave owners, no erase that foolishnessdont think Gone With The Wind and the OHara plantation. The Vikings were often referred to as the "dark invaders" or "black foreigners." Surname Origin Irish Last Names Irish Last Names L. Elizabeth Forry Updated: July 29, 2022 Find your Irish last name and learn about its meaning and origins on this list of popular Irish surnames. Such things only serve to bring further division among human beings. many were actually dark skinned black irish. There are a number of different claims as to the origin of the term, none of which are possible to entirely prove or disprove. This led to a helpless population of homeless women and children. There was discrimination and stereotyping of Irish, and there were many Irish supporting the abolition movement, and later solidarity with the civil rights movement. Dont forget modern recorded history versus older nonrecorded history or minutely recorded history. Do you still have your list of sources? Surname Origin: Irish Alternate Surname Spellings: O'SULLIVAN, OSULLIVAN Argentina, Mexico, and New Zealand also share in high numbers of Irish descendants. I think we have a Black and White view of slavery in general that fails to embrace the reality of admixture insistent on purity much like Jim Crow laws. This answers a hell of a lot for me. The Irish were treated HORRIBLY, often just as horribly as Africansbut not always. THE MYTH OF IRISH SLAVERY is A LIE The tale of the Irish slaves is rooted in a false conflation of indentured servitude and chattel slavery. Judging history, or whole groups of people through myopic glasses is not only intellectually dishonest but harmful in the modern practice of superimposing everything over the wrongs of the past. Dunne 28. Anglicized form of the Irish name Donndubhin meaning "descendant of Donndubn ". It generally refers to racial, ethnic or cultural roots. (skip gates, wanda sykes, all have traced their roots to irish women who paired up with african men.). It's quite popular in Scotland. Like, Im confused. White people can treat their own quite horribly, history tells. Kerry Meaning: "black-haired" "dark-haired" "dark-haired clan" Variations: Keri, Kerri, Kari, Carrie, Cerise, Cherise, Cherri, Cherry From a young age, nomadic parents placed a strong emphasis on education in real experience and the outdoors - a trait which has carried through her life and into her career. Is what happend to the Irish also a fulfillment of prophecy? American journalist, author, and former television host Bill OReilly is one of the most famous people with the surname OReilly. Black Irish Books, publishing house of American author Steven Pressfield. How do prisoners spend their time? If a slave owner named Washington or Jefferson bred an Irish slave with an enslaved African, why would he give the surname of the Irish slave to the offspring? Evidence of last names in Ireland appears from around the early 900s, making it one of the first places in Europe to adopt hereditary surnames. And they did this systemically and repeatedly. [] Source: How Blacks have Irish Last Names []. Where the Black Irish really came from and no, it wasnt the Spanish Armada, Mariah Careys Black Irish liquor cannot be sold in Ireland due to legal battle, International Irish Coffee Day: The history and recipe of Irish coffee. Even then these were primarily yes men and traitors, easily disposed of and replaced. Get your heads out of your collective asses and out of all those others. There is far too much historical EVIDENCE of the inhuman way Africans were treated. Indentured servitude was a form of bonded labour, whereby a migrant agreed to work for a set period of time (between two and seven years) and in return the cost of the voyage across the Atlantic was covered. Famous Dalys include American actress Tyne Daly, television host Carson Daly, and actress and TV personality Tess Daly. No one in the homeland was safe. The term "Black Irish" has also been applied to the descendants of Irish emigrants who settled in the West Indies. There are still people living under those conditions, especially in AfricaSierra Leone, for example. The byword "African-American" was just adopted by our ppl in the 1980s due to the counsel of our so-called black "leaders" a Jesse Jackson. Great article. They were dispised, were not allowed practice thier own religion, keep their own gaelic name, Own any kind of property, and denied the use of thier own language. I will just say that both existed and as such proves that anyone who is racist and thinks they are justified in being racist is wrong because even with differences of culture, tradition and society all people are the same and we should all treat each other equally and with equal respect. The Irish are Iber-ish (Hebrew man) Then after a time the law change and blacks were considered chattel so therefore were unable to buy their freedom. From there I started seeing more videos and posts speaking on Irish slavery. But it seems that your fellow Irish forgot both about the atrocities done to them and working side by side with African slaves. Sisters founded orders if nuns. X-Factor winner Shane Ward is one of the most well-known Wards. America was named after another so-called white man by the name of Amerigo Vespuci. Think about their rage The fighting irish especially 100 years ago you wouldnt have not one Irishman admitting they were ever slaves ( they would talk about it amongst themselves, but never with outsiders whom werent real irish. We should remember this and not let one injustice isnt used to counter the other. Or was it an indirect outcome of the permition of owning slaves? Irish ancestry stretches to the far reaches of the globe. Murray 19. Paris Donnatella is an avid writer and traveller. What is White? The term "Black Irish" has been in circulation among Irish emigrants and their descendants for centuries. People dont make it to age 40 there. Compare Blatch and Blick . The article failed to explain that. Gaelic would not have been understood any more than African languages in the new world. By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat. Brannon is my maiden name and it is an Irish name. An African would know better. Others you may not be as familiar with outside of Ireland are Whelan ( Faolin in Gaelic) and OKeeffe ( Caoimh in Gaelic). Please do not confuse the two. None of this was forced, as that would have hurt productivity, rather than helped, and the incentive of a female slave having reduced work during pregnancy encouragement enough. From a young age, nomadic parents placed a strong emphasis on education in real experience and the outdoors - a trait which has carried through her life and into her career. Visit The Information about Irelandsite to read more about Irish history, culture, and heritage. His name is Liam Hogan or should I say Lord Hogan lol. They either came to America as slaves, or moved to America in more modern times. Youll find that most often the enslaved are identified by age and gender only. The Kelley family name was found in the USA, the UK, Canada, and Scotland between 1840 and 1920. One such example is that of the hundreds of thousands of Irish peasants who emigrated to America after the Great Famine of 1845 to 1849. This must end with the entire group of humans~~or else look forward to the re-boot of the planet~~~so if there is not change~~~I well I guess I will see all of you in the next life-time~~~lyrics from Erykah Badu~~~, [] How Blacks have Irish LastNames []. One of the most famous OConnells is singer-songwriter Billie Eilish who was born Billie Eilish Pirate Baird OConnell. There is a new drive by whites all over Europe and the UK, stating that they are the real Jews or lost tribes. Like many ancient lands, Ireland has seen the arrival of settlers, explorers, ancient tribes, and clans of all different nationalities over centuries. The Huns and Mongols did it. There is a book called White Cargo. What is NOT true is the absurd Idea that slavers bread African Slaves with Irish women to create more profitable slaves. The black people of today are not harmed by the slavery of decades ago any more than I (an Irish-American) or any other Irishmen are. The English masters quickly began breeding the Irish women for both their own personal pleasure and for greater profit. I know where mine came from. Jesus was born in the mid east, why do people believe that his hair is blond and straight, and have white skin, even hanging on the walls of black people, along with Martin Luther King, Malcolm x, John Kennedy. On this issue, as often happens, the ignorant aspirants to house nigguh status are still carrying water for the masters. Even though our histories converged and should have caused extended cooperation between the groups, Irish Americans have become stereotyped as extreme racists. Often, female Blacks slaves were impregnated by their masters to create more slaves. Famous Flynns include actors Errol Flynn and Brandon Flynn. Im just now learning the depth of how horrible Irish slavery was. Enter the time of the Irish Famine or genocide. I would love to know more, this has opened a window in my life. For those of you keen to dig a little deeper into your roots, we suggest you check out ancestry.com! Smh. I get so tired of hearing about these damn Edomites (ie the Irish) and how they have suffered. Where they not forced to build railroads and gassed and burned in ovens? But, if anyone, black or white, believes that slavery was only an African experience, then theyve got it completely wrong. https://www.opendemocracy.net/beyondslavery/liam-hogan/%e2%80%98irish-slaves%e2%80%99-convenient-myth, Some good explanations of the term Black Irish: They were shipped by the hundreds of thousands and included men, women, and even the youngest of children. English actress, singer, and television personality Claire Sweeney is the most famous person with the surname Sweeney. B. Interesting write up Eddie McFields. Irish slavery is a subject worth remembering, not erasing from our memories. Black Dutch (genealogy) Black Dutch is a term with several different meanings in United States dialect and slang. Actress Kristen Bell is one of the most famous people with this name. Top 100 Irish surnames 1. Sometime in the 17th century after the battle of Kinsale in County Cork, in Ireland which took place between 1601 -1602, the English was faced with the huge problem of looking after 30,000 men taken as Prisoners-of War. This reveals another cruel and inhumane treatment of the human family towards each other. Yet, many often state that the first Celts arrived on the island of Ireland around 500 BC.