Five five-shot groups were carefully assembled at 50 yards with each load/rifle/barrel, with no time provided between shots for cooling (the barrel was allowed to cool every 25 shots while making the 100-yard round trip to change targets). You must log in or register to reply here. But do you know how to properly use them? "Business/Sunday go-to-meetin" for both men and ladies and "Work/Everyday" clothing for ladies and gentlemen. Either waythe dunk tank or dropping trowit seems barbaric. However, no adjustment is allowed to the sites after the beginning of the competition. It depends on what you are looking for. I'm not sure it really cooled back down until it was in the air conditioned car. (3) CR123A batteries included. One can only assume his point was that unless in extreme circumstances everything's about the same but this is with the M24 which has a relatively thick barrel. the fuel tank. *** Trade Fair Bring out Muzzleloader related items For-Sale ***, March 17, 20238:00 am - March 19, 20235:00 pm All Shooting Times subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. One fouling shot is then fired, followed by shots for record. Thanks Ryan! Don't worry about cooling the barrels. I don't think you need to worry about the condensation, as the tube is much hotter than the ambient air temp, not to mention water[that from the condensation, not adding water], even very small amounts, it one of natures best 'coolers'. Regardless of whether water is poured on the outside or through the bore, in no way does it harm the barrel. YOU ARE INVITED One of the two Rick Graham flags I am now using has a larger vane than the other. The water is caught by the bucket and reused until it becomes too hot. The shot at the top center is after I adjusted the sight with a cool barrel. There are several methods that can be employed to cool barrels quickly such as using fans, ice water, cold packs, wet towels, etc. I may get a chance to go to the range and shoot 15 test round today to see if the group closes up to what that load produced early on. If the flags indicate a change in condition before all the rounds of a string are fired, I stop shooting and squeeze off the remaining shots in the group only when my chosen condition returns. Not the fastest, but made a big difference when used between stages and while waiting for our squad to shoot. March 18, 20238:00 am - March 19, 20233:00 pm Another shoots five-shot groups and gives the barrel five minutes to cool between shots. Let me know what you think. Remington has never put a smokeless capable barrel for their muzzleloaders. In a hunting rifle I shoot 3 in a row looking for first shot and follow up shot consistency. for max barrel life how long would you wait between shots on say a rifle like a 338 lm or cheytac based case ? Im not sure what youre asking? Resting the stock on a rear bag positions it higher than the top of the bench, so placing the sissy bag atop a sand-filled, flat bag (called a brick bag) elevates it to the desired level. This event's continued success is attributed to the competitors who graciously volunteer time and service in various responsibilities. A few short puffs spaced out should work. Over the next few months I will be comparing a few of the barrel coolers on the market. What gives? The 30th Sgt. I have seen people waiting 2 minutes between shots. The rifle walks, groups loosen, and nerves fray. It's a small water pump that creates a mist, and if you fill it with ice water it will work miracles. This is not to say my methods are better than those used by others, and I am not implying that others should follow them. People worry way too much about barrel cooling. What is the purpose of the round being developed. Ozark's Back Porch. Second, three rounds isn't a group. AC adapted mattress pump I had at my house, connected with a sock to AC in car (gets rid of moisture) by paper clamps, sprayer hose connected to bore guide! Place the rifle in a rest so that the muzzle is slightly downward, stick the nozzle into the. I use a Coleman rechargeable mattress pump and flex tubing$25. If your rifle is spraying shots all over the target, check your scope mounts. You are using an out of date browser. This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. March 5, 202310:00 am - 11:00 am Dont forget: Always sign in on the sheet provided. The use of a physically Challenged Chuck Adapter (henceforth known as PCCA) will be allowed under the following conditions. Great for cold bore mapping, competition shooting, or any day at the range. Not sure if this was entirely due to waiting between shots. Any tips on how to cool the barrel between shots, or atleast three shot groups? Build Your Rifle/Sabotless TIPS/ Links. No matter how large or small your part, this tremendous volunteer force comes through year after year. For things to run smoothly, there are many tasks: shooter registration, preparation of the range, "running, scoring, and tabulating" targets, safety officiating of the range, and more. It would be enormously appreciated if each of us would put a little extra effort into our clothing and accouterments, providing the best historical ambiance for the shoot! I used the mattress pump w/ 1 foot of surgical tubing and it worked on a 338BAR I was doing load testing for before elk season once. Five extra points each, for pre-1840s dress, loading from a pouch, or using a flintlock rifle (.75 That requires differential calculus and I would say as Ryan did in his very well put video that there are too many variables. Range rules for the Sergeant Alvin C. York Memorial shoot Pall Mall Tennessee That being said I already have everything needed. Checks should be made payable to "Alvin C. York Memorial Shoot." 2023 Outdoor Sportsman Group. Is this mainly for large calibers? There will be no practicing for the second relay during the first relay. When testing a new rifle, I almost always start by shooting factory ammunition if it is available. Water off, couple dry patches, and he was done. Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: Why are you testing "best groups"? 30-40* weather, I like to wait about 3 minutes. Thinking a small compressor hooked to the truck battery may do better. bsumoba; Sep 13, 2017; Commercial Sales by Paid Sponsors; Replies 0 Views 2,400. The rifle to be tested determines the number of shots to be fired in each group. While a carbon barrel will not hold as much heat as a steel barrel they will give up heat quicker. Get 12 Issues a year of the country's best firearms writing. Make like a WW2 machine gunner and urinate on it? Sometimes described as wind indicators, an entire article could be written on their design and use, but I can touch only on the high points here. Bull? Reviving an older thread as I came across Ryans YouTube review. Alberta Outdoorsmen Forum > Main Category > Guns & Ammo Discussion: Load Development - barrel cooling You'll be able to shoot dozens of shots 2 or 3 per minute or faster and they'll cluster evenly about point of aim. T Waco, Missouri, https://facebook.com/events/s/spring-family-rendezvous/1460410837698017/, March 17, 20239:00 am - March 18, 202312:00 pm No clue on effects. Cools pretty quick that way. Shooting from bench and Caldwell bags, using Federal Fusion which seems to be the rifles favorite round so far oddly enough. All Sgt. If I let the rifle cool, the very tight grouping doesn't come back until I clean and dry patch the bore, then I can clover leaf 3-4 rounds again. No? Select Post; Deselect Post; Link to Post; Back to Top; Post by gws on Nov 2, 2022 13:20:53 GMT -5. Not only do those shooting in hot and humid states have to deal with the hot sun, the ambient temperature alone can keep a barrel from cooling down properly between rounds. I have also taken game from the sitting position with my arm wrapped around a rifle sling in the "hasty" position. I prefer it now. Thank you for your comparison Ryan. I do this because factory technicians are quite good at developing loads capable of delivering levels of accuracy ranging from acceptable to excellent whenfired in a large number of mass-produced rifles from various manufacturers. k, this is a very old school approachwhen I get to the range I stick the rifle sitting muzzle up in the gun rack. In the summer with ambient temps of 75 or higher, I would typically wait 5-7 minutes. You must be a member of the Alvin C York Memorial shoot to participate. This is a legal requirement. The 10 min statistic is super interesting. No, your very first shot is perfect then, after a pause to observe results, displace, and prepare to fire yet again, you take another cold-barrel shot. MSRP: $59.99 www.magnetospeed.com, There are two different models to fit the type of gun you shoot: a Magwell Chamber Chiller for AR-style rifles and an ejection port unit, which is better suited for bolt-actions. Switching tops takes only a bit longer than it took you to read this sentence. Due to safety concerns, shooter registration must be limited to 185 shooters. Wind is blocked even less after they shed their leaves during winter. I understand this is an old thread, but want to reply anyway, SOCIALIST CONTROLLED TERRITORY OF NEW YORK, Temperature Gun 50 C 900 C Infrared Digital Non Contact IR Laser Thermometer | eBay. Don't laugh it works awesome! If a barrel gets too hot, all sorts of bad things happen and frustration follows. Cuts cooling time in half compared to regular convection, and the Caution Yellow paintjob complies with approved chamber flag color standards. This whole "x" minutes between shots is absolutely ridiculous. Each physically challenged contestant will be required to use a board runner to hang their scoring target. Lunchbox27 Professional whisky drinker. Feed Back Forum. Keep me cool also. Size, weight, and battery size and life mean something to me for my needs. In this comparison the heat transfer rate will be directly related to the mass air flow rate since the cooling medium(ambient air) and the barrel will be the same. MSRP: $36.99 www.barrelcool.com, This cooler has an interesting configuration: The fan unit operates well away from the chamber and connects via a length of hose and a caliber-specific attachment. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. If I leave a round in the chamber of a hot barrel too long this will drive up the pressures. CAMPING No loaded rifle should be left unattended. A heavy-barreled rifle staves off some of this somewhat. J2Shooter, do you have a link to where you got the stick on thermometers ? It may not display this or other websites correctly. The black matte barrel on my rifle was warm from the sun before I ever startesd shooting, and was hot enough to make a mirage in the scope after the first 3 shots. I let it sit like that while I'm setting up the bench. (The high pitched whine sounds like a vaccuum cleaner) But, being an engineer, and wanting to build a better mousetrap, I attempted to improve on this idea. Alvin C York Memorial shoot staff are volunteers. If you shoot multiple times without running a cleaning patch in the barrel you will feel it gets harder to load the next ball. The wet rag thing sounded like it would work. Barrels heat up quickly and range time can take forever while waiting for your barrel to cool between rounds. When in a match there is no time to wait and cool your barrel so why do it when group testing. One thing to really consider is condensation in the bore, especially in humid environmentsmaybe not so much Arizona but a lot of other places. With a rifle held muzzle-down over the plastic bucket, the end of the tube is pushed into the chamber until it stops. Using the TMS bullets as prescribed should extend the life of a barrel by at least one third. Like it has been said all my hunting rifles get shot for 2 shot groups with no extended range sessions. Tree lines border both sides of the private shooting range I use, and while the trees do a fairly good job of reducing wind velocity, their foliage is not dense enough to block the wind entirely. My question concerns the proper technique to use between shots. I keep a Thermos of ice water, a six ounce squirt bottle, bore guide, cleaning rod and patches handy. The rifle is supported at the rear by either of two types of leather sandbags. All but one of my guns wear custom tubesboth hunting and compitition. Wu [2] briefly reviewed cooling technologies for gun barrels, which are either passive or active. MAYBE pushing air through the bore has SOME merit but that's about it. My buddy uses ice water on a towel between strings . After 3 shots let it cool way down, takes 15min. Steve. RIFLES Thank you for your cooperation and Good Luck It seems to me that you should shoot in your normal conditions (hot, hot, hot!) The contestant must support the rear of the rifle with no additional support. The barrels are . The Chamber Chiller company tailors them to the particular calibers. It is best to accuracy-test a rifle during ideal range conditions with no wind, but since Mother Nature seldom cooperates where I shoot, wind flags are used. Shooting a rifle on paper the way it will likely be shot during a hunt reveals my accuracy with it in the field compared to shooting it from the bench. Alvin C. York Memorial Shoot will be held Saturday, March 25, 2023. can easily be 100 degF. Jokes aside, I like the Magneto speed barrel cooler we know it works and fits in a shirt pocket, and I am still on the first set of Batteries. These three quick-switch tops for the Sinclair front rest handle most sizes and shapes of rifle forearms. SIGHTS Furthermore, its shaped and colored like an NRA-certified empty chamber indicator, so its ready to pull double duty. Second Media Inc., 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. Rotate between two or three rifles, shooting one while the others cool. He fired a string of 5 shots then sprayed the bore. This is beneficial, however, because you can situate it away from any ambient heat of your rifle, thus speeding up the cooling process. 04-25-2009, 09:25 AM #22. The first shot out of the cooled barrel is almost always in the group in a production barrel and always in the group with a custom barrel. How many shots between cleanings for a ML? RELAY SETUP But I like go out 5 days in a row and shoot one round at 300 yards. We do not desire to have the barrel material holding the heat. is much higher than around here and that is why they would wait so long. I set up a timer on my cell phone between shots. A friend of mine owns an ammunition manufacturing company. One charge is good for about 40 shots. I don't think it would be any different than a steel barrel. Enhance barrel cooling by using BarrelCool. I always seem to have a flyer or 2 in every group. Generally, it makes a barrel shootable in fewer than 10 minutes. After shooting a black powder gun there is some burned powder residue inside the barrel. However, because of insurance purposes, it has become necessary that we require all vendors (except for those consigned by the organizers) to be registered shooters, whether you choose to shoot or not. So Im guessing about 12 seconds between shots lol. To encourage people who have, through age or other means, become physically challenging to enjoy our event. PCCA I know first hand.Sometimes you find a really good little squirrel population that needs thinning. The Remington 700 Ultimate Muzzleloader, based on my test rifle, works well with essentially the same bullet and sabot combinations as discovered with the prior testing with the now-discontinued Savage 10ML-II. First, relay shooters shall remove their equipment from the loading area immediately after the 10th target is fired. I use a battery powdered fan blowing on my barrel and sometime take a cooler with some ice water and dip a wash cloth in it and wipe my barrel down. Can usually get every bit of 3 hours in before I'm seeing funny things in the sand..stay hydrated! The number of PCCA is limited and on a first-come-first-served basis. As expected from MagnetoSpeed, the RifleKuhl is engineered to the hilt. For if it prosper, none dare call it treason. Do your sight in spacing the shots. It also depends on velocity. Cooling rate is continuous rather than the "shock" of a cold, wet, towel. Thanks for the information guys wanted to check and see if what I have been doing is right. Leave the bolt open, pick up your brass, make entries in your range log, change or write on your targets, talk to your shooting buddies, Clean the bore, etc, till the barrel cools enough to shoot again. Then the barrel tenon shoulder will bear tight all the way around. The .22-250 that was shot out before at 2000 rounds should be on the money for at least 3000 rounds.". Learn the difference between revolvers and semi-auto pistols and what makes them different. SAFETY FIRST! Regardless of the time of year, the real trouble spot is a narrow gap in the left-side tree line at 215 yards. FOLKS THIS IS YOUR SHOOT!!! Varmint? For instance, if you use a sandbag, it should move freely on top of the chunk. Additionally, a neodymium magnet keeps it in place, and the nozzle seals against the chamber to maximize the coolers effect. It is still going to remove air. It gets hot down here to. So I shoot after chambering in about 5 seconds. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. A custom Remington Model 700 in .338 Lapua I recently shot is a good example. After a string or even one shot on a thin barrel I hold the barrel under the stream of ICE water and pull it the length of the barrel. Ample time is given for second relay contestants to set their equipment. It may not display this or other websites correctly. It shouldn't hurt barrel life nor the grouping. Generally a boon downrange as a wind indicator, it plays havoc in front of your objective lens when emitted by gun metal. A required safety meeting held at 7:30 AM Central Standard Time for ALL CONTESTANTS Before the first relay. I don't agree with cooling the barrel on carbons or larger profile barrels for accuracy purposes. With any delta T, your steel will change faster than carbon. It all depends on environmental conditions. This same friction effects how the ball leaves the barrel when shot. Pictures. Prizes: 1st place Traveling trophy; Top 3 places: Medals I'll have to look for some of those temp strips. This one should be a pretty simple test but feel free to ask any questions. So to me, carbon will both absorb and dissipate heat at a slower rate. The bench consists of a 4-inch-thick slab of reinforced concrete resting on concrete block pillars. All rifles must be inspected for conformance before the competition. Lighter profile barrels need to cool because the heat can and usually does effect accuracy. Tip #7 Pouring the Powder into the Barrel, Tip #9 Black Powder Sizes 1F, 2F, 3F, 4F. It may not display this or other websites correctly. UPS has officially stopped shipping guns? If shooting a match, I dont want to have to pull a wagon for my barrel cooler. During the 1950s, National Rifle Association personnel often fired three-shot groups and allowed the barrel to cool down one minute between each shot. I would not fool with water down the barrel at a match. Accuracy Answers With that rifle i can fire five rounds fast. But I dont go over a 5 shot string without cooling, unless Im wanting to see if there is any shift with a real hot barrel. What I am saying is they have worked satisfactorily for me for several decades, and I see no reason for changing. Zak Smith got it right. Though you won't want to touch it or the gas block! New Barrel Cooling Product - Barrel Blizzard. Made a duct with cardboard and tape, and stuck it on the end of the barrel. Also for comfort, I rest my right elbow on a flat sandbag called a pillow bag. If you don't like this method then don't do it. Ordering a custom barrel, what do I need to know? Those were the days when most ranges didnt have an hourly rate akin to electricians, dentists and ladies-of-the-night. Elwood Shelton is an online content developer for Gun Digest. Barrels are meant to be shot. Back when I was into 3 Gun competition, some stages required emptying several AR-15 magazines. A friend of mine fires three-shot groups and allows the barrel to cool down two minutes between each shot. When you set up your camp, please allow a minimum of 70 feet clearance behind the loading area for emergency services access. JavaScript is disabled. Reloading- What pressure signs do you stop at? A sniper shoots a series of cold-barrel shots. CHUNK / BARREL REST If this is your first visit, be sure to They are all just as portable. Anything that cools a barrel too quickly upon application will cause a barrel to warp because it won't be consistent slow radiant air cooling all over the barrel surface. Has anyone used the Barrel Blizzard? The accuracy-testing protocol for rifles has varied considerably through the years, not only among individual shooters, but also among the various types of shooting activities. Just my .02 but your poi is most likely going to walk as the barrel heats up. I have to admit it was my fault, I knew better but got a little overly excited and ran about 20-30 rounds one after the other through my 22-250AI when a pack of rabid squirrels were attacking. Please note: Creedmore Sports is now the exclusive distributor for Barrelcool. Definitely got my wheels turning as I've never used any kind of barrel cooler or cooling method other than time between shots.
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